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In support of my fairly laissez-faire political views, I most post this:



I'm not gay, nor do I ever expect to be, but I do feel that all people who fall in love and want to share their lives should be able to do just that. Or at the very least, they should be able to do so *without* having their government institute a national campaign for the express purpose of reminding them how "wrong" their chosen lifestyle is.

Because, really, what one person, or even group of persons, could possibly be qualified to judge what is right for everyone else in the country? Outside of some basic wrongs that I consider universally immoral (i.e. killing, lying, stealing, adultery, etc.), I'll make my personal choices, and I have no intention of barring others from making theirs.

Date: 2003-10-15 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] memoryofpetals.livejournal.com
Good work. :)

I watched a debate on t.v. and it upset me so much. It wasn't even a debate, it was "You're wrong!" Then, "No, you're wrong!" I wish they would've covered how covering gay marriages with work benefits would possibly work or not work, rather than the moral debate.

Date: 2003-10-15 05:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinchan.livejournal.com
Bonk, bonk, bonk.

Doesn't anyone notice that whole, uhh, HATE CRIME aspect of that? ;(

Date: 2003-10-15 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evilbluefairy.livejournal.com
I don't agree with hate crime legislation, either, but it's because it kinda gives a weird message. To imply that it's worse to kill someone for a specific motive is silly. It's a sucky thing to kill anyone, for any reason! :)

Date: 2003-10-15 10:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-jean.livejournal.com
To me, it's a crime in itself to keep two people who love one another from being together because of something as trivial as their physical gender. It's true that the couple that really loves each other will find a way to be together anyway... but to deny them something as basic and fulfilling as a legal marriage is wrong. If I were a lesbian and had a girl I loved, I would want to express it by marrying her... and I would want that marriage to be as accepted as any other heterosexual union. After all, getting married is hard enough without all THIS stickied on to it. :)

Date: 2003-10-15 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] addwag.livejournal.com
I totally agree with you- it outrages me that we call ourselves a modern society but are still so homophic

Date: 2003-10-15 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] niro.livejournal.com
I kind of agree with what you're saying, however, the crime being more or less wrong depending on the motive is firmly grounded in the law. For instance if your motivation for killing some one is that they are about to kill you and you're defending yourself versus if your motivation is that you don't like them much and you've been plotting to get rid of them for a while now.

Also, though there are usually harsher penalties attached, the main reason for hate crime legislation (at least federal hate crime legislation) is to give the federal government jurisdiction in the case instead of the local authorities. It was enacted originally to deal with cases (in the south for instance) where if the local Sheriff, DA, and Judge weren't participating in a lynch mob in the first place they at least work it so killing a black man only gets you a slap on the wrist.

Date: 2003-10-15 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muerte.livejournal.com
I must give you a heart amen.

Date: 2003-10-17 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faith4life.livejournal.com
being a christian, i'm still up in the air about the whole gay marriage thing.

i used to support it whole-heartedly until i got saved...then i started to re-think it a little bit. my church wants us all to sign an online petition banning gay marriage and most of the people at my church seem to be ready to grab their electronic pens and petition against it.

me? i am not going to sign a petition. i agree that according to God's intention, homosexuality is wrong. i feel that it's possible that we could ban gay marriages because our country was based on christian fundamentals and that's part of our country's tradition and creation. for that reason alone, i think that banning gay marriage would be acceptable.

however, despite God's plans and our country's creation, our government is indecisive on whether or not it wants to include God in it's governing. it's strayed away from our original christian foundation that it was created under. marriage is no longer viewed as a gift from God; it's rarely considered a sacred union between a woman and a man ... i've even been to weddings that are incredibly traditional and mention that the union is before the Son, the Father, and the Holy Spirit, yet the people getting married wouldn't have any faith in a higher power if i paid them to...

that said, marriage is considered, now, to be a government issued union. people who are married get more priveleges than those who aren't. so if marriage isn't going to be sacred any longer, then let those who are same-sex be together. i don't think it's right to deny them the same priveleges that everyone else gets.

and what irks me the most about this whole thing is that the people who seem MOST upset about letting homosexuals get married are the people who got married and didn't invite God to their wedding. the people who have the traditional prayerful wedding but don't even believe or want to please God in any sense. if they are going to use the excuse "God doesn't want these same-sex people getting married", then they should realize that God doesn't want them to be married without Him. the only people who have a right to deny same-sex marriages are the people who want to worship and hold God's laws high in their own lives. sadly, these people often tend to be in the minority.

and the debate continues...

(just my two cents)

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